Dr. Marvin Marshall on Education and Parenting

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Discipline Without Stress

The following is shared about the book:

“As parents and educators, we need all the assistance we can get. Marv Marshall helps us reduce our stress and increase our potential success by giving us many helpful ideas. You will find this book filled with insights and proven strategies that can be applied to all age levels.”

Nancy K. Utterback, Ph.D., Professor
Education & Character Education, Walsh University, Ohio

The reason that the approach is so successful is that counterproductive approaches are not used. click here to see a list of them.

Bullying

I am a teacher of English from Argentina. I read your book and decided to put your great ideas into practice. I am implementing the system with a group of nine-year-olds. I am writing to you because I had a problem with a parent and I would like your advice.

One of my students behaves like a bully, hits his classmates and threatens to hit them outside the classroom. He pushes them or he sometimes makes them stumble and he told a classmate something like ” Kiss my ass” ( in Spanish, of course). I decided to send a note to his parents when he did this, and asked him to write the following:

Dear Mom and Dad,
Today I told a classmate to “Kiss my ass.”

When his mom read the note, she became outraged and decided to come and talk to me. She was quite rude and almost insulted me but I remained calm all the same.

This kid also has problems in subjects other than English and he once told me that his mom never punished him or paid any attention to him.

I just wanted to make him take responsibility. I would appreciate any suggestions.

MY RESPONSE:

Smart for staying calm!

Here are two strategies to keep in mind.

(1) Repair. Start off with an apology–even if it is unwarranted. Say something like, “I’m sorry this occurred.” (And you really are). “Let’s see how we can repair the damage.”

(2) Remember that the person who asks the question controls the conversation.

If a similar situation occurs, ask the parent, “What do you suggest?” If the parent goes on a rampage, say, “I understand, but what do you suggest?”

To the student, say, “Your behaving on level B is simply unacceptable.” Than ask, “What do you suggest we do about it?” Keep asking, “What else?” “What else?” until a satisfactory solution is ELICITED.

Your task is so difficult because the youngster is manipulating his mother—and she does not even realize it.

Just let him know that what he does outside of school is his business, but what he does in school is yours. Only acceptable behavior (levels C or D are acceptable) and that if he does not behave at these levels, he will own the consequence because he will choose it.

Finally, remember that if the youngster misbehaves, he is the one to feel the stress—not you. And that goes for his mother, too!

Review the chapter on “Classroom Meetings.” Put the problem on the table. It is the class’s problem because his behavior has an effect on the entire class. Let students come up with some suggestions, with the student present. Students hearing their peers is far more powerful than being told by an adult. The student lacks some “emotional intelligence.” His classmates can help him.

Authority and Coercion

Each time you coerce someone into doing something by using your power of authority, you deprive that person of an opportunity to become more responsible.

The Book: Discipline Without Stress

I received the following correspondence:

I am a music teacher. Last year, I came to a point where I was ready to quit—not just threaten—but actually quit teaching after 18 years. That’s when I ran across your book,  and it saved my career as well as my life!

I immediately went back the next day to my classroom and implemented the process.  WOW! What a difference for me and the students.  I no longer have to be a “gritchy” person!

I love and live what you have shared in your book “Discipline Without Stress” and it has definitely reduced stresses in my classroom. Also, my students are becoming self-reliant, internally motivated, and responsible.

I’ve used it, I’m using it, I live it everyday.

Thank You Dr. Marshall!

Gratefully,
J T
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This communication refers to the book, “Discipline without Stress, Punishments, or Rewards – How Teachers and Parents Promote Responsibility and Learning.

The contents are as follows:
Chapter 1  REDUCING STRESS
Chapter 2  MOTIVATING
Chapter 3  RAISING RESPONSIBILITY
Chapter 4  PROMOTING LEARNING
Chapter 5  TEACHING
Chapter 6  PARENTING

Each chapter is filled with practical strategies that bring benefits to you by promoting responsibility, increasing your effectiveness, and improving your relationships.

Needless to say, the book would make a wonderful season gift to any manager, administrator, teacher, counselor, social worker, youth worker, or parent. The sections on reducing perfectionism and victimhood thinking and the technique for impulse management are particularly beneficial.

I guarantee it will be one of the most meaningful gifts you can give—to yourself and others.

Level D and Reflection

In this season of gratitude and giving, I would like to share one of the many joys I received. (Warning: It  may be odoriferous.)

On the second day of  using  Raise Responsibility System, a miracle happened. The student who had driven me crazy all year chose to take a time out for reflection at his desk (instead of outside in the hall) after he farted five times in less than ten minutes during story time on the rug. Farting at will is one of his special talents. I explained that if he chose to sit at his desk, he would still have to allow the rest of us to concentrate. He agreed.

When after two minutes he began belching loudly, I said he must have changed his mind and decided now to sit outside. When he started to fuss, I asked him whose decision it was to bother the class. He sheepishly said, “Mine,” and walked quietly out of the room. Nothing that simple had ever happened with that child before.

But even more miraculous, when he returned to the classroom he said, with no prompting, “Mrs. Clark, I’m really sorry about how I behaved on the rug.”

I was was stunned and so was the rest of the class. So I asked, “Do you know what level of behavior that is?”  He didn’t, so I told everyone that this is an example of level D, Democracy, taking responsibility for your own actions and caring about others at the same time.

Thanks for helping me regain a bit of sanity. This will be my fourth year of teaching, and before your class I’d begun to think that starting this career at 56 might have been more than I could bear—but I guess I should be good for another ten years. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Rachel Clark

Discipline and the Book

“Discipline is not easy in our culture.

“Our Puritanical past has led to many wrong assumptions about how to channel behavior. In his book, Marvin Marshall shows us how to overcome these counterproductive patterns while promoting responsibility and growth in young people. It is an important work, and I highly recommend it.”

Jim Cathcart
Author of “Relationship Selling” and “The Acorn Principle: Know Yourself—Grow Yourself”

A descriptive table of contents, three selected sections, and
additional items of interest are posted at the site.

Impulse Control and Reflective Questions

QUESTION:

I’d appreciate your advice on handling a few children who persist in behaving at Level B, even after I have “checked for understanding” and have proceeded with “guided choices.”

Today I told one of my students who hit another child, “I want you to stay in our classroom, but if you act on Level B again, you are telling me that you want to keep on making your own rules for the class.”

RESPONSE:

Next time, ASK the student if he would like to stay in the classroom. Then ASK him on what level he would need to behave to remain in the class.

Follow this up by ASKING him what he will do when he gets the same impulse again. Elicit—and you can help him develop—a PROCEDURE he can follow when the same impulse occurs again. The procedure needs to be simple. He can stand and sit, rub his ear, frown and smile, or tap his toe five times—anything he can remember to do.

Role play with him by having him practice the procedure with you. Ask him to periodically think about and practice the procedure again so that when the impulse arises he will be in control, rather than being a victim of his impulses.

If he has difficulty, keep on asking him if he want to continue to be a victim.

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Notice how reflective questions work. They empower by implying the person is capable, they are noncoercive—so the person is not defensive, and they encourage better choice-making.

Establishing, practicing, and reinforcing  a procedure for redirecting impulsivity also assists. See impulse management for additional information.

Free Discipline and Education Books

The former head of a publishing company comments on the discipline, education, and parenting book:

“This timely work is on the mark in providing rich, practical tools for every reader. Each chapter opens doors to fresh insights and pragmatic road maps.”
—Robert Danzig, Former President Hearst Newspapers

A descriptive table of contents, three selected sections, and additional items of interest are posted at: DisciplineWithoutStress.com.

The book is now available, along with a staff development package, free of charge to any school in the United States that wants to use the TOTALLY NONCOERCIVE—but not permissive—approach. Applications are available at DisciplineWithoutStress.org.

Permission to Use My Discipline and Parenting Approach

QUESTION:

Marv, the counselors at my school have requested time at their counselors meeting next month to present something about your Raise Responsibility System. They have been in my presentations and are implementing it this year in their counseling sessions with the classes. They are VERY excited about it and have already realized success. They are meeting with me to discuss their presentation.

I have requested that they wait until I have contacted you to find out what you want presented. I explained that I had received permission to present here in our school. However, I do not think it is fair to you for them to try to teach what they are doing with it in their classrooms unless they have permission and direction from you. Please send me your thoughts about this presentation. It would be a great venue for them to at least spread the word and direct people to you and your website. Also, the district leaders will be there, including the superintendent and assistants.

RESPONSE:

The reason that I have not placed a service mark (trademark or registered mark) after the RAISE RESPONSIBILITY SYSTEM or the DISCIPLINE WITHOUT STRESS TEACHING MODEL is that some people would think that they cannot use it without permission—as indicated by your request.

My desire is to have as many people exposed to actuating responsible behavior through internal motivation as possible.

To implement the system as designed, ALL of the following needs to be included: (1) being positive with students, (2) letting them know that to learn or not to learn is their choice—that you won’t force learning because you can’t, (3) that the most effective route to change is through self-evaluation and reflection, (4) that only acceptable levels of behavior are allowed—levels C & D, (5) that the way to have people change is through a noncoercive approach by prompting them to reflect on the level of their chosen behavior, and (6) when students act on an inappropriate level of A or B, it is far more effective to ELICIT an activity from them so they have ownership—rather than to impose punishment which promotes victimhood thinking and adversarial relationships.

Some people will take parts of the system and think they have the whole. But this may be better than not encouraging them to start.

The more they read on my website, the greater their chances of getting “the whole.” When people start implementing the three principles (numbers 1, 2, and 3) and the RAISE RESPONSIBILITY SYSTEM (numbers 4, 5, and 6), they will significantly reduce their stress when dealing with inappropriate behavior and start to hear the birds sing, smell the fragrances of flowers, and taste the internal joyful satisfaction of raising responsible citizens.

With this in mind, anyone can reproduce anything from my websites. My only request is that <MarvinMarshall.com> be included.

Rewards and the Raise Responsibility System

QUESTION:

I recently read your education book and I plan to try the approach with my 3rd graders.

Previously, I taught 6th grade and used an assertive discipline system. I teach in a Success for All school which requires teachers to award team points for appropriate behavior. Students are rewarded based on the number of points their team earns each week. How do you think the Raise Responsibility System will work if I have to give rewards for expected behaviors?

RESPONSE:

First, a comment about assertive discipline: As you may have discovered, a fundamental characteristic of this coercive approach is to overpower when a student does not obey. The RAISE RESPONSIBILITY SYSTEM is 180 degrees in the opposite direction. It sets up expectations and then prompts youngsters to reflect. It separates a good person from inappropriate behavior. Because of the separation, the person does not have to self-defend and therefore creates a safe atmosphere. Because students understand that the objective is to have them become more responsible, rather than to change them, it is easy for a student to admit to an inappropriate behavior—and change it.

The system is based on the simple truth that you cannot change another person. People change themselves, and the most effective way to influence a person to change behavior is to get them to WANT to change. The most effective way to do this is though a noncoercive approach.

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Regarding “Success for All,” continue to do what the program asks for.

Once you explain the difference between Level C, external motivation, and Level D, internal motivation, students quickly realize that external rewards are used to reinforce desired behavior—and they begin to realize that it is manipulative. No one likes being manipulated—not even young kids.

Once students reach this realization, often lose interest in the external reward. They realize that the feelings of success leading to increased self-esteem are more satisfying than any external reinforcer.

Let the students decide. For those who want to continue receiving rewards, give it to them. For those students who tell you not to, follow their wishes.

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Regarding working in teams, once you have established the synergy of students working in collaboration—rather than in competition—quality of learning will dramatically increase. Friendly rivalry for short periods is fun. If learning is based on individual competition on a regular basis, however, it is counterproductive.

The epilogue in my book shows how educational leaders have lost faith in their own leadership and have been led by business and government leaders to use an inappropriate business model for learning.

Using a model of accountability and inducing competition for learning by comparing test scores (as if all learning can be quantified) is counterproductive. The comic strip character, Dagwood Bumstead, eloquently described this approach when he said, “You know, that makes a lot of sense if you don’t think about it.”

You will be amazed at how your youngsters will do what you want if you have good classroom management (teach procedures for everything you want them to do) and then teach the hierarchy of social development, Parts I and III of the teaching model.